Re: substitutions: Star Eyes

John F. Hyde ( (no email) )
Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:27:15 -0400

>
>Anyway, we can definitely agree that next time you post your changes that
>you arent interested in getting a critique from me. :)
>

Well of course I'm interested in a critique from anyone on this list, that's=
why I submitted these substitutions. But if I don't agree with what your=
saying, or don't feel you backed up your point, youv'e gotta expect me to=
reply. This is a jazz discussion group and what I'm looking for is healthy=
discussion. I was joking about Reed's day job, I've had a few day jobs in=
my time (my wife wishes I had one now) and I sometimes believe a day job=
would be preferable to some of the gigs I have to take to make a living.=20

Here's my point: Reed, you said the bass line makes no sense, you didn't say=
why. That's not constructive criticism. You also said that I broke certain=
rules that have existed from Chopin to Tatum to Evans and that you have=
been talking about in your posts. I believe the bass line makes sense=
according to certain guidelines that I have been taught and that I have=
developed over the years.=20
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1: Strong root progression: down 5th, up 4th; ex. G7 C || down min 2nd;=
ex. Db7 C || up maj2nd: ex. Bb7 C ||

2: Precede V's with II's ex. D-7 G7 C || Ab-7 Db7 C || F-7 Bb7 C ||

3: Sub for Dominant a Tritone away ex. D-7 Db7 C || Ab-7 G7 C || F-7 =
E7 C ||

4: Passing dim. Ex. C#o7 C || Bo7 C || =20

5: sub for passing dim up min 3rd. Use II-7b5 V7b9 E-7b5 A7b9 C || =
D-7b5 G7b9 C ||

6: sub by quality Tonic: I III VI: Sub Dom: II IV: Dominant: V VII

I hope that some members on this list will find these guidelines useful. I'm=
starting to use a lot more melodic minor harmony and diminished harmony.

Music theory is just that "theory" And our ears seem to be getting more use=
to dissonance. In the 30's in jazz you would hardly ever hear a Maj7 chord=
just 6's. In the 70's I wrote a big band chart with a natural 9 on a=
half-diminished chord and got marked down for it, now I hear them all the=
time. In my reharm on Star Eyes, I can justify every change according to=
one of these rules. I'll be the first to admit that doesn't mean its good, =
but I have done my homework. My criticism of this reharm would be its too=
busy, but I feel that it's interesting and valid. When I submit something=
to this group I consider it a "work in progress" and I'm looking for=
contributions and sugestions.

John Who will never again joke about someone's day job. :-(